THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUICK REPLY------- I do appreciate the damage that a 4 stroke kicking back can do.I always use a chicken stick with this one as I have many times felt the kick on the stick as it tries to whip it out of your hand,and have been very gtatefull that it was not one of my fingers.And of course know that if I use an electric starter this can do a tremendous amount of damage to the engine if it hydraulics and suddenly refuses to turn over.This is why I have been getting frustrated in the amount of time I spend flicking the bloody thing over,only to get it firing backwards. OK so now I will try to swing it in the opposite direction to the norm--ie-clockwise, and with less vigour.Think you got a bit mixed up there[you say swing it anti-clockwise] but that is the norm with 2 strokes. I also have a bigger prop to try,but will try the above first. I seem to always be in the way of the prop if I try and flick it too slow,so I obviously need to get into a different stance with a 4 stroke. I love the sound of it once in the air so I certainly have no wish whatsoever to put a 2 stroke in it,so I will persevere.Thanks again Dougal